Comments on: Make Love, not Diablo 3 is Warcraft Petitions http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/ Everyone knows girls don't play video games. Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:52:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Scott http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6281 Scott Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:48:07 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6281 Haha, yeah... Fanboyism is a funny thing. While I can still be a fanboy at times, ever since I sat down and played through Halo 3 and realized my irrational hatred of the series was unfounded, I've learned to try and put things into perspective. Take the Pyro changes you mentioned. The Pyro is my favourite class, and while Valve taking the +50 HP bonus off of the Backburner weapon makes the Pyro "weaker" it also makes the class much more fun to play. Why? Before I was relegated to using only the Backburner because it was more effective than the Flamethrower. Now I can use the Flamethrower and not feel like I'm gimping myself, and the Flamethrower is much more fun to use due to its "Compression Blast" ability. Plus, the Backburner still has its place, for example on Dustbowl, last section, while on defense, uber rush out of the basement tunnel and 9 times out of 10 you will get half the attacking team in the back. Haha, yeah… Fanboyism is a funny thing. While I can still be a fanboy at times, ever since I sat down and played through Halo 3 and realized my irrational hatred of the series was unfounded, I’ve learned to try and put things into perspective.

Take the Pyro changes you mentioned. The Pyro is my favourite class, and while Valve taking the +50 HP bonus off of the Backburner weapon makes the Pyro “weaker” it also makes the class much more fun to play. Why? Before I was relegated to using only the Backburner because it was more effective than the Flamethrower. Now I can use the Flamethrower and not feel like I’m gimping myself, and the Flamethrower is much more fun to use due to its “Compression Blast” ability. Plus, the Backburner still has its place, for example on Dustbowl, last section, while on defense, uber rush out of the basement tunnel and 9 times out of 10 you will get half the attacking team in the back.

]]> By: Monique http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6283 Monique Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:56:14 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6283 Scott - Funny you mention the Pyro being better now. I kinda agree. I never played the Pryo, because as you know I'm all about the medic (and, when I feel like being awful, I will engage the sniper). But I'm finding it more fun to heal them now, they're more strategic. I've always liked Pyros for wiping out a team with an uber, but now it feels more skillful - have to actually uber at the best time, because they're a bit weaker. Still favorite uber target == DEMOMAN! With Krietzkrieg, haha. Scott -
Funny you mention the Pyro being better now. I kinda agree. I never played the Pryo, because as you know I’m all about the medic (and, when I feel like being awful, I will engage the sniper). But I’m finding it more fun to heal them now, they’re more strategic. I’ve always liked Pyros for wiping out a team with an uber, but now it feels more skillful - have to actually uber at the best time, because they’re a bit weaker.
Still favorite uber target == DEMOMAN! With Krietzkrieg, haha.

]]> By: RiotMonster http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6289 RiotMonster Sat, 02 Aug 2008 23:25:10 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6289 I wanna play The Fat Princess ^_^ And that girl who bitched is a cunt. Can I say "cunt"? I wanna play The Fat Princess ^_^

And that girl who bitched is a cunt.
Can I say “cunt”?

]]> By: Monique http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6301 Monique Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:03:54 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6301 RM - sure! But that's not the opinion of GDG, all that legalize face-saving bullshit...you dig? :P RM - sure! But that’s not the opinion of GDG, all that legalize face-saving bullshit…you dig? :P

]]> By: MrAnderson http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6303 MrAnderson Sun, 03 Aug 2008 01:40:48 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6303 Couldn't agree with you more about the Diablo3 petition. And honestly, I think one of the main reasons so many people signed it is because...people just like signing petitions. They want to feel like they were a part of something big (like changing the 'artistic direction of one of the most anticipated titles ever'). But if you look at the gameplay videos I don't think we have any reason to worry about Diablo3's integrity. Trust me, I guarantee that the developers and artists at Blizzard have a much deeper connection to the Diablo series than any of those petition signers. Couldn’t agree with you more about the Diablo3 petition. And honestly, I think one of the main reasons so many people signed it is because…people just like signing petitions. They want to feel like they were a part of something big (like changing the ‘artistic direction of one of the most anticipated titles ever’). But if you look at the gameplay videos I don’t think we have any reason to worry about Diablo3’s integrity. Trust me, I guarantee that the developers and artists at Blizzard have a much deeper connection to the Diablo series than any of those petition signers.

]]> By: Mercedes http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6307 Mercedes Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:03:25 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6307 That time-freezing shit completely took the fun out of the game for me. And I said this in a comment somewhere else about the Diablo 3 petition: The people writing and signing that bullshit would play it even if Rainbow Brite were a boss. Puh-lease. That time-freezing shit completely took the fun out of the game for me.
And I said this in a comment somewhere else about the Diablo 3 petition: The people writing and signing that bullshit would play it even if Rainbow Brite were a boss. Puh-lease.

]]> By: Mercedes http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6316 Mercedes Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:33:08 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6316 And of course by that I meant it took the <i>prospective</i> fun out of the game for me, since I haven't played it yet. I'm smart. And of course by that I meant it took the prospective fun out of the game for me, since I haven’t played it yet. I’m smart.

]]> By: William http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6339 William Sun, 03 Aug 2008 06:23:50 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6339 I hear that Care Bears are going to be a playable class in D3. Their three skill trees are: Stares, Loving, and Sharing. My leak tells me the best is a hybrid deep sharing build. I hear that Care Bears are going to be a playable class in D3.

Their three skill trees are: Stares, Loving, and Sharing.

My leak tells me the best is a hybrid deep sharing build.

]]> By: a gnarly hogie http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6416 a gnarly hogie Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:37:48 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6416 You think the VATS system in fallout 3 might make the game easy too? I thought I was the only one. You think the VATS system in fallout 3 might make the game easy too? I thought I was the only one.

]]> By: Monique http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6425 Monique Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:37:48 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6425 Gnarly - A lot of us are pretty against it! When we saw the E3 trailers, I was in ventrilo and a few people definitely were like "Wow, this is game is grea-- WHAT THE FUCK??? YOU CAN FREEZE TIME?" William - Carebears are serious beasts. They will fit in with the rainbows and puppies Diablo 3 has. Merc - Yeah, haha, seriously fuck it :( Anderson - I'm definitely backing Blizz til they prove they suck. So far they've made several of my favorite titles (WC2, WC3, D2, SC). It's just like how I back Valve. I would never assume a Half-life game was bad until they released it and it WAS. It makes me sad these 'fans' are reading too much into a brighter level or something. Gnarly - A lot of us are pretty against it! When we saw the E3 trailers, I was in ventrilo and a few people definitely were like “Wow, this is game is grea– WHAT THE FUCK??? YOU CAN FREEZE TIME?”

William - Carebears are serious beasts. They will fit in with the rainbows and puppies Diablo 3 has.

Merc - Yeah, haha, seriously fuck it :(

Anderson - I’m definitely backing Blizz til they prove they suck. So far they’ve made several of my favorite titles (WC2, WC3, D2, SC). It’s just like how I back Valve. I would never assume a Half-life game was bad until they released it and it WAS. It makes me sad these ‘fans’ are reading too much into a brighter level or something.

]]> By: William http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6442 William Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:05:33 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6442 Also, I realized, there's something interesting about these complaints. Particularly the weapons one. I could restate all of the points you made about "I wonder if Blizzard could afford NEW art for this ridiculously high budget AAA title?", but I'm also particularly interested in the fundamental nature of the complaint. I haven't read the entire petition, but the quote you gave was “cartoonish and unrealistic weaponry” and “oversized weapons…that look pasted directly from World of Warcraft.” Were the weapons in D2 non-cartoony and realistic? Does ANYONE remember the crystal sword model? It doesn't seem that the knee jerk reaction is based on the quality of the D2 weapons, and if the weapons were utterly realistic, I'm SURE people would be unhappy that they all looked kinda the same, and were really small, so the knee-jerk reaction can't be based on that. I guess it just reinforces my feeling that this petition is based on something not unlike the platonic form of the game sequel. Ideal in every way, but not directly accessible to the mortal man... Also, I realized, there’s something interesting about these complaints. Particularly the weapons one. I could restate all of the points you made about “I wonder if Blizzard could afford NEW art for this ridiculously high budget AAA title?”, but I’m also particularly interested in the fundamental nature of the complaint. I haven’t read the entire petition, but the quote you gave was “cartoonish and unrealistic weaponry” and “oversized weapons…that look pasted directly from World of Warcraft.”

Were the weapons in D2 non-cartoony and realistic? Does ANYONE remember the crystal sword model? It doesn’t seem that the knee jerk reaction is based on the quality of the D2 weapons, and if the weapons were utterly realistic, I’m SURE people would be unhappy that they all looked kinda the same, and were really small, so the knee-jerk reaction can’t be based on that.

I guess it just reinforces my feeling that this petition is based on something not unlike the platonic form of the game sequel. Ideal in every way, but not directly accessible to the mortal man…

]]> By: Scott http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6469 Scott Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:22:25 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6469 Blizzards "art style" has always been cartoony and exaggerated. It's just that in the past the state of computer graphics got in the way of Blizzard being able to fully express their artistic style. Now that Blizzard's artists can more fully express themselves without constraint people are complaining. One thing a lot of people complaining don't realize is that a lot of these artistic designs are based upon basic design principles. Blizzard for example, by having a more "cheerful" and "normal" tone to their overworld can make Hell and other demon infested environments seem darker than they actually are since they stand in contrast to the overworld. Basically, your blacks are blacker when they're put right next to whites. Blizzards “art style” has always been cartoony and exaggerated. It’s just that in the past the state of computer graphics got in the way of Blizzard being able to fully express their artistic style. Now that Blizzard’s artists can more fully express themselves without constraint people are complaining.

One thing a lot of people complaining don’t realize is that a lot of these artistic designs are based upon basic design principles. Blizzard for example, by having a more “cheerful” and “normal” tone to their overworld can make Hell and other demon infested environments seem darker than they actually are since they stand in contrast to the overworld. Basically, your blacks are blacker when they’re put right next to whites.

]]> By: Demosthenes http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6474 Demosthenes Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:30:35 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6474 Scott - If anything, Hell and Nightmare are much brighter if i recall. Every other freaking monster is enchanted and spurts lightning and curses and pretty colors of death. I don't know if youve seen the E3 gameplayfor Fallout, but zomg, freeze frame aside, shooting teddy bears out of a leaf blower is so gonna be the only way im killing things. I wouldn't be surprised if that becomes an achievement. I can't bitch at blizzard about anything Diablo related, I feel its safest in their hands (Stay dead plz Flagship). They made Diablo 2, people, seriosly. I don't know how you can complain about the gameplay they released, I shit bricks over how cool it looked. It had freaking ents for christ's sake. Its shaping up to be exactly what im hoping for: a D2 clone with better graphics. I started playing D2 online again in preparation muahaha Scott - If anything, Hell and Nightmare are much brighter if i recall. Every other freaking monster is enchanted and spurts lightning and curses and pretty colors of death.

I don’t know if youve seen the E3 gameplayfor Fallout, but zomg, freeze frame aside, shooting teddy bears out of a leaf blower is so gonna be the only way im killing things. I wouldn’t be surprised if that becomes an achievement.

I can’t bitch at blizzard about anything Diablo related, I feel its safest in their hands (Stay dead plz Flagship). They made Diablo 2, people, seriosly. I don’t know how you can complain about the gameplay they released, I shit bricks over how cool it looked. It had freaking ents for christ’s sake. Its shaping up to be exactly what im hoping for: a D2 clone with better graphics. I started playing D2 online again in preparation muahaha

]]> By: Monique http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6475 Monique Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:42:49 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6475 Kevin - me and Leslie started playing D2 as well. Great minds think alike? Kevin - me and Leslie started playing D2 as well. Great minds think alike?

]]> By: Demosthenes http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6478 Demosthenes Mon, 04 Aug 2008 22:26:37 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6478 MF SORC 4 LYFE! MF SORC 4 LYFE!

]]> By: Alyssa http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6710 Alyssa Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:39:06 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2008/08/02/make-love-not-diablo-3-is-warcraft-petitions/#comment-6710 I'm glad you wrote this. I can't believe people sometimes. It seems like they just want to find something to complain about simply for the sake of complaining. I for one am excited about D3 and was ecstatic while watching the gameplay video. It looks like an updated D2 to me, I don't get why people are so up in arms about it. As for the girl complaining about Fat Princess, that just confuses me even more. I don't understand how it could even spark controversy. I mean, if you eat too much, you gain weight and become harder to carry. What's the big deal? They might as well complain that in Animal Crossing, if you don't water the flowers, they die. I don't see how this game could be negative for anyone, and if anything it seems kind of positive because hey, the fatter the princess, the more helpful she is! I’m glad you wrote this. I can’t believe people sometimes. It seems like they just want to find something to complain about simply for the sake of complaining. I for one am excited about D3 and was ecstatic while watching the gameplay video. It looks like an updated D2 to me, I don’t get why people are so up in arms about it.

As for the girl complaining about Fat Princess, that just confuses me even more. I don’t understand how it could even spark controversy. I mean, if you eat too much, you gain weight and become harder to carry. What’s the big deal? They might as well complain that in Animal Crossing, if you don’t water the flowers, they die. I don’t see how this game could be negative for anyone, and if anything it seems kind of positive because hey, the fatter the princess, the more helpful she is!

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