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	<title>Comments on: Anything You Can Do, I Can Do Better</title>
	<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/</link>
	<description>Everyone knows girls don't play video games.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Magiz</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-430</link>
		<author>Magiz</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's a shame that people think women still are more casual gamers. I've been playing games for a very long time, and have known a lot of women that play. I guess I wasn't really the typical jerk guy, however. It never bothered me gaming with girls. I actually enjoyed the hilarious chat that went along with it (which can be refreshing compared to what most guys say during a online match).

As for women drivers. My one friend was a very skilled driver in some racing games. One of her favorite was the Burnout series. Between her and my other friend, they were some of the top players online in that series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame that people think women still are more casual gamers. I&#8217;ve been playing games for a very long time, and have known a lot of women that play. I guess I wasn&#8217;t really the typical jerk guy, however. It never bothered me gaming with girls. I actually enjoyed the hilarious chat that went along with it (which can be refreshing compared to what most guys say during a online match).</p>
<p>As for women drivers. My one friend was a very skilled driver in some racing games. One of her favorite was the Burnout series. Between her and my other friend, they were some of the top players online in that series.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-433</link>
		<author>Paul</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-433</guid>
					<description>My observation is that girls are not aggressive and self-confident in their aggression.
I'm not gonna say why -I think it's due to a variety of reasons.

But pretty much I don't see many women saying, "dude, this is what I'm gonna do, and up yours if you don't like it" about games, about hobbies, and even about life goals. It's kinda interesting my highly driven sister go into college: she wants an MD, and you better not get in her way, versus the other people in her dorm, who are...not as motivated, shall we say...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My observation is that girls are not aggressive and self-confident in their aggression.<br />
I&#8217;m not gonna say why -I think it&#8217;s due to a variety of reasons.</p>
<p>But pretty much I don&#8217;t see many women saying, &#8220;dude, this is what I&#8217;m gonna do, and up yours if you don&#8217;t like it&#8221; about games, about hobbies, and even about life goals. It&#8217;s kinda interesting my highly driven sister go into college: she wants an MD, and you better not get in her way, versus the other people in her dorm, who are&#8230;not as motivated, shall we say&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tanya</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-434</link>
		<author>Tanya</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-434</guid>
					<description>Very interesting article.

Since I was old enough to hold a joystick I've regularly played a very wide variety of video games - everything and anything from Half-Life to - yes, I admit it - The Sims. I think a lot of fellow female gamers are just as guilty as the mainstream population in underestimating just how many women have played video games since a young age and continue to do so - it hasn't happened suddenly, we've been here all along. The only difference is that the big video game companies are willing to take notice of us now they’ve realised they can make more money out of us by targeting specific games at us.

I don't play video games because I enjoy it when I beat male gamers - I play because I enjoy beating other gamers - regardless of gender - because I don't believe I have anything to prove. If more women in gaming thought like this, I feel there would be much less of an issue surrounding women in the video game industry and community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting article.</p>
<p>Since I was old enough to hold a joystick I&#8217;ve regularly played a very wide variety of video games - everything and anything from Half-Life to - yes, I admit it - The Sims. I think a lot of fellow female gamers are just as guilty as the mainstream population in underestimating just how many women have played video games since a young age and continue to do so - it hasn&#8217;t happened suddenly, we&#8217;ve been here all along. The only difference is that the big video game companies are willing to take notice of us now they’ve realised they can make more money out of us by targeting specific games at us.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t play video games because I enjoy it when I beat male gamers - I play because I enjoy beating other gamers - regardless of gender - because I don&#8217;t believe I have anything to prove. If more women in gaming thought like this, I feel there would be much less of an issue surrounding women in the video game industry and community.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzie</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-436</link>
		<author>Suzie</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-436</guid>
					<description>Obviously making huge generalisations about 'gamers' or 'girl gamers' or whatever is always going to exclude some people or be wrong on some level. There are lots of individual exceptions (if there weren't, it wouldn't be an issue when people generalise the other way) and part of the problem is that if you are a female gamer you probably know other female gamers. 

It's nice if you feel like you have nothing to prove, but a lot of people/guilds/groups/gaming cultures make it so you have to have something prove. You either accept their stereotyping/insults, or you fight against it. There are mature communities, and there are mature guilds, and there are lots of women gamers. But in much the same way that just because there are some high-powered business women doesn't mean that there isn't still a significant gap between the average man and the average woman's career, just because there are some mature gaming comms and some hardcore female gamers doesn't mean that the gaming industry as a whole is equal.

Part of the problem, I think, is firstly that these are virtual worlds that are rarely policed - or, if they are policed it is with a very different set of rules in mind to the real world. If someone came up to you in the street and screamed abuse at you you would call the police. But in games that happens all the time, and it's just accepted.  A guild within a game is run on very similar lines to a business or a charity or a boy scouts or whatever - but legislation protects people within business, charities and scouts in a way that it doesn't in the virtual world.

I mean, what am I going to do? Sue my guild leader for kicking me out because I "am a dumb slut"? Nobody would take that seriously. But if you got kicked out of any group in the real world for that you'd be screaming blue murder.

Okay, I am stopping before this comment ends up longer than the entry :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously making huge generalisations about &#8216;gamers&#8217; or &#8216;girl gamers&#8217; or whatever is always going to exclude some people or be wrong on some level. There are lots of individual exceptions (if there weren&#8217;t, it wouldn&#8217;t be an issue when people generalise the other way) and part of the problem is that if you are a female gamer you probably know other female gamers. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice if you feel like you have nothing to prove, but a lot of people/guilds/groups/gaming cultures make it so you have to have something prove. You either accept their stereotyping/insults, or you fight against it. There are mature communities, and there are mature guilds, and there are lots of women gamers. But in much the same way that just because there are some high-powered business women doesn&#8217;t mean that there isn&#8217;t still a significant gap between the average man and the average woman&#8217;s career, just because there are some mature gaming comms and some hardcore female gamers doesn&#8217;t mean that the gaming industry as a whole is equal.</p>
<p>Part of the problem, I think, is firstly that these are virtual worlds that are rarely policed - or, if they are policed it is with a very different set of rules in mind to the real world. If someone came up to you in the street and screamed abuse at you you would call the police. But in games that happens all the time, and it&#8217;s just accepted.  A guild within a game is run on very similar lines to a business or a charity or a boy scouts or whatever - but legislation protects people within business, charities and scouts in a way that it doesn&#8217;t in the virtual world.</p>
<p>I mean, what am I going to do? Sue my guild leader for kicking me out because I &#8220;am a dumb slut&#8221;? Nobody would take that seriously. But if you got kicked out of any group in the real world for that you&#8217;d be screaming blue murder.</p>
<p>Okay, I am stopping before this comment ends up longer than the entry <img src='http://girlsdontgame.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Suzie</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-437</link>
		<author>Suzie</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-437</guid>
					<description>Paul - I agree with you. It's not that women are incapable of being ambitious, or aggressive or self-confident, it's just overall we're socialised not to be. I think gaming can be a kick in the rear end for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul - I agree with you. It&#8217;s not that women are incapable of being ambitious, or aggressive or self-confident, it&#8217;s just overall we&#8217;re socialised not to be. I think gaming can be a kick in the rear end for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Areteseeker</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-499</link>
		<author>Areteseeker</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-499</guid>
					<description>Well the articles are good.
please keep them coming.
BTWi loved the RP article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the articles are good.<br />
please keep them coming.<br />
BTWi loved the RP article.</p>
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		<title>By: Shadowrunner</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-555</link>
		<author>Shadowrunner</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-555</guid>
					<description>I only have one thing to say about girls gaming, and it is this.  My mom plays WoW...  she's 64...  and to all those people that may flame me for saying it.         yeah?   My mom is main tank...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only have one thing to say about girls gaming, and it is this.  My mom plays WoW&#8230;  she&#8217;s 64&#8230;  and to all those people that may flame me for saying it.         yeah?   My mom is main tank&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-588</link>
		<author>Kristen</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2007 07:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-588</guid>
					<description>I was always one of those girls that was like "what? I can't game because I'm a girl?" But ever since I can remember, I've been playing games like Command and Conquer, Final Fantasy, Mortal Combat, and most recently Halo, Counter Strike, and WoW. I just simply LOVE those games! I admit that in recent years I haven't had as much time to sit down and really game, but I do what I can when I can. I'm going for my MD so the majority of my time goes to studying, but when I game I just feel like I'm in heaven. ^_~ It's what I do to relax nowadays. I can't wait to finally earn my MD so I can spend more time gaming again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always one of those girls that was like &#8220;what? I can&#8217;t game because I&#8217;m a girl?&#8221; But ever since I can remember, I&#8217;ve been playing games like Command and Conquer, Final Fantasy, Mortal Combat, and most recently Halo, Counter Strike, and WoW. I just simply LOVE those games! I admit that in recent years I haven&#8217;t had as much time to sit down and really game, but I do what I can when I can. I&#8217;m going for my MD so the majority of my time goes to studying, but when I game I just feel like I&#8217;m in heaven. ^_~ It&#8217;s what I do to relax nowadays. I can&#8217;t wait to finally earn my MD so I can spend more time gaming again.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzie</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-596</link>
		<author>Suzie</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-596</guid>
					<description>Shadowrunner - that freaking rocks. Your Mom is cool :D


Kristen - good luck with your MD! Gaming can make a good mind-blank from studying sometimes :P I like your choice of games too ^^ Yay Final Fantasy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shadowrunner - that freaking rocks. Your Mom is cool <img src='http://girlsdontgame.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Kristen - good luck with your MD! Gaming can make a good mind-blank from studying sometimes <img src='http://girlsdontgame.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> I like your choice of games too ^^ Yay Final Fantasy!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-642</link>
		<author>Kate</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-642</guid>
					<description>Thank you for calling bullshit on the whole "casual games are for girls" phenom. It's appearing in more and more "news" articles and mainstream gaming sites and is now coloring my personal experience. Though my husband and I have been gaming together for a good four years now, he's still got this surprised but pleased reaction when he comes home to find me neglecting my homework in favor of playing something like Assassin's Creed or one of the Burnout titles (by myself! Girls don't do that - we're social!) that pisses me off to no end. 

Even when we play WoW together, there's this double standard. At this stage in the game, burned by past guild drama, we pvp with a group of our real life friends. My char is a fury-speced warrior outfitted mostly in s3 arena gear and I do an obscene amount of damage. I'm not shocked that the players I don't know personally treat me like a mythical beast when I run premade BGs (vent kills my anonymity but damned if I can type and pwn at the same time...), it's when the hubby gets all gloaty about me. Obviously he thinks I'm special or he wouldn't have married me, but there's this weird competitiveness (yeah, bitches, she's rare and she's MINE) with an underlying sense of awe. It's as if he kinda believes the hype. I mean, he tried to get me into the Sims as a segway into gaming when we first moved in together years ago and was thrown when I wanted to play Warcraft (yay Tower Defense!) instead. And just last month he installed Peggle on my box and was confused when I abandoned it in favor of CoD4. 

Ugh, I feel kind of mean for picking on my guy, but I think he's a v. good example of a larger issue. Despite the statistics and the anecdotal evidence, despite the fact that I'm the one driving the damn Warthog, there's this denial among otherwise sensible guys that girls game. Or that girls game seriously. Or that girls have the "natural aptitude" necessary to play 'hardcore' games. 

I'm new to the whole blog posting so I'm sorry that I ranted so long. I love love LOVE this blog and will keep coming back, though I'll try to keep my tongue in the future. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for calling bullshit on the whole &#8220;casual games are for girls&#8221; phenom. It&#8217;s appearing in more and more &#8220;news&#8221; articles and mainstream gaming sites and is now coloring my personal experience. Though my husband and I have been gaming together for a good four years now, he&#8217;s still got this surprised but pleased reaction when he comes home to find me neglecting my homework in favor of playing something like Assassin&#8217;s Creed or one of the Burnout titles (by myself! Girls don&#8217;t do that - we&#8217;re social!) that pisses me off to no end. </p>
<p>Even when we play WoW together, there&#8217;s this double standard. At this stage in the game, burned by past guild drama, we pvp with a group of our real life friends. My char is a fury-speced warrior outfitted mostly in s3 arena gear and I do an obscene amount of damage. I&#8217;m not shocked that the players I don&#8217;t know personally treat me like a mythical beast when I run premade BGs (vent kills my anonymity but damned if I can type and pwn at the same time&#8230;), it&#8217;s when the hubby gets all gloaty about me. Obviously he thinks I&#8217;m special or he wouldn&#8217;t have married me, but there&#8217;s this weird competitiveness (yeah, bitches, she&#8217;s rare and she&#8217;s MINE) with an underlying sense of awe. It&#8217;s as if he kinda believes the hype. I mean, he tried to get me into the Sims as a segway into gaming when we first moved in together years ago and was thrown when I wanted to play Warcraft (yay Tower Defense!) instead. And just last month he installed Peggle on my box and was confused when I abandoned it in favor of CoD4. </p>
<p>Ugh, I feel kind of mean for picking on my guy, but I think he&#8217;s a v. good example of a larger issue. Despite the statistics and the anecdotal evidence, despite the fact that I&#8217;m the one driving the damn Warthog, there&#8217;s this denial among otherwise sensible guys that girls game. Or that girls game seriously. Or that girls have the &#8220;natural aptitude&#8221; necessary to play &#8216;hardcore&#8217; games. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m new to the whole blog posting so I&#8217;m sorry that I ranted so long. I love love LOVE this blog and will keep coming back, though I&#8217;ll try to keep my tongue in the future. <img src='http://girlsdontgame.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-751</link>
		<author>dave</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 02:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-751</guid>
					<description>my business teacher who is a woman is more of a hard core gamer than most of the students in the school and there are a lot of gamers in our school</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my business teacher who is a woman is more of a hard core gamer than most of the students in the school and there are a lot of gamers in our school</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-1086</link>
		<author>Liz</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 01:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-1086</guid>
					<description>Great article. Just the other day I was at work and mentioned I was a gamer, and of course since I am a girl (I work tech support and I STILL got this attitude, heh), my coworker said "Oh, you're a gamer? What do you play, the Sims?" I just looked over and politely said "Well, right now I'm working through another run of Gears of War, in the middle of Mass Effect, and when we get a paid I'm going to FINALLY pick up the Orange Box." He just kinda looked at me and said "...Oh."

That being said, we also have to remember that there isn't anything wrong with games like the Sims, or simply having fun playing the Wii. It's just frustrating when you can't be taken seriously as a gamer just because you're a girl. There are more of us than people seem to think. I stumbled upon this site through a girl gaming board I visit (hi Lumi!) and I'm really enjoying it. Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. Just the other day I was at work and mentioned I was a gamer, and of course since I am a girl (I work tech support and I STILL got this attitude, heh), my coworker said &#8220;Oh, you&#8217;re a gamer? What do you play, the Sims?&#8221; I just looked over and politely said &#8220;Well, right now I&#8217;m working through another run of Gears of War, in the middle of Mass Effect, and when we get a paid I&#8217;m going to FINALLY pick up the Orange Box.&#8221; He just kinda looked at me and said &#8220;&#8230;Oh.&#8221;</p>
<p>That being said, we also have to remember that there isn&#8217;t anything wrong with games like the Sims, or simply having fun playing the Wii. It&#8217;s just frustrating when you can&#8217;t be taken seriously as a gamer just because you&#8217;re a girl. There are more of us than people seem to think. I stumbled upon this site through a girl gaming board I visit (hi Lumi!) and I&#8217;m really enjoying it. Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Kitsune</title>
		<link>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-1204</link>
		<author>Kitsune</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/11/02/anything-you-can-do-i-can-do-better/#comment-1204</guid>
					<description>Just in case the industry happens across this :P For their girl gamey research:
(Not a history list, just a few titles that spring to mind for examples :) )

*Girl*

/played MGS1, MGS2, Starcraft, (many "boys games" of the 90's like MK), Diablo2, Halo, Vampire Hunter D, Castlevania, Silent Scope </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case the industry happens across this <img src='http://girlsdontgame.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> For their girl gamey research:<br />
(Not a history list, just a few titles that spring to mind for examples <img src='http://girlsdontgame.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>*Girl*</p>
<p>/played MGS1, MGS2, Starcraft, (many &#8220;boys games&#8221; of the 90&#8217;s like MK), Diablo2, Halo, Vampire Hunter D, Castlevania, Silent Scope</p>
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