Comments on: The End is Nigh http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/ Everyone knows girls don't play video games. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:38:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Peter Twieg http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-31 Peter Twieg Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:44:51 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-31 I doubt Starcraft II will take away from WoW that much. I'm pretty sure the strong majority of WoW players never touched a previous Warcraft game, let alone Starcraft... and it's doubtful that there are that many people who would not only play Starcraft but play it so seriously that they'd quit WoW. I mean, I'll pick it up (or pirate it :P) and play through the single player, but probably no more.... it probably won't make much more of an impact than Oblivion did. A "Universe of Starcraft" game would be a different story, but I don't think that'll be on the agenda for quite a while. 2.5 years isn't that old as MMOs go. I doubt Starcraft II will take away from WoW that much. I’m pretty sure the strong majority of WoW players never touched a previous Warcraft game, let alone Starcraft… and it’s doubtful that there are that many people who would not only play Starcraft but play it so seriously that they’d quit WoW. I mean, I’ll pick it up (or pirate it :P) and play through the single player, but probably no more…. it probably won’t make much more of an impact than Oblivion did.

A “Universe of Starcraft” game would be a different story, but I don’t think that’ll be on the agenda for quite a while. 2.5 years isn’t that old as MMOs go.

]]> By: Dana http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-32 Dana Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:04:07 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-32 I have to agree with you - it will all be a gradual shift, and WoW won't die overnight. But - if you look at their homepage you will see something new. It's called Scroll of Resurrection. You find a friend of yours that hasn't played WoW in 6 months, you get them to resubscribe through this program, you get free WoW time. It's a bribe. Bring back players, get a reward. So when I first saw this I thought maybe they were losing their player base. But THEN I thought well maybe they are fortifying their player base because there are other really good looking games coming out (like Warhammer). OH and don't discredit Lord of the Rings Online! This game actually IS doing well, you just don't hear about it too often. I played the beta and didn't like it, but there are so many people who do and apparently they are making their player base happy (at least at the moment). Good list, although I was sad you didn't say anything about Pirates of the Burning Sea. I wonder if I should give up hope for this game or what. I have to agree with you - it will all be a gradual shift, and WoW won’t die overnight. But - if you look at their homepage you will see something new. It’s called Scroll of Resurrection. You find a friend of yours that hasn’t played WoW in 6 months, you get them to resubscribe through this program, you get free WoW time. It’s a bribe. Bring back players, get a reward. So when I first saw this I thought maybe they were losing their player base. But THEN I thought well maybe they are fortifying their player base because there are other really good looking games coming out (like Warhammer).

OH and don’t discredit Lord of the Rings Online! This game actually IS doing well, you just don’t hear about it too often. I played the beta and didn’t like it, but there are so many people who do and apparently they are making their player base happy (at least at the moment).

Good list, although I was sad you didn’t say anything about Pirates of the Burning Sea. I wonder if I should give up hope for this game or what.

]]> By: Elle http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-33 Elle Sat, 08 Sep 2007 15:12:00 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-33 Second Life can actually do some pretty neat things, but the key is to not really look at it as a typical game. Then you can mess around with some useful abilities. More on that at a later date if you'd like~ I've been looking forward to Darkfall for its concepts and claims, and despite that I don't have time for anything as indepth and endless as an MMO nowadays, I will still be unable to resist evaluating the game. It's trying to be so innovative and I'd love to see its successes and failures. Second Life can actually do some pretty neat things, but the key is to not really look at it as a typical game. Then you can mess around with some useful abilities. More on that at a later date if you’d like~

I’ve been looking forward to Darkfall for its concepts and claims, and despite that I don’t have time for anything as indepth and endless as an MMO nowadays, I will still be unable to resist evaluating the game. It’s trying to be so innovative and I’d love to see its successes and failures.

]]> By: Monique http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-34 Monique Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:01:40 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-34 Peter--I think you're making a really dangerous assumption. SC isn't one of the world's premiere games for nothing. It won't just be pirated and played through once, as you intend to do. Most people will be buying it not for single player, but for multi-player which can't be pirated. :) I would say about half of WoW's playerbase played the WC games prior, especially DoTA and WC:3. I think about half of them will be buying SC2. If the game sucks, all bets are off, but if it's as good as Brood Wars, then I'll bet you ten bucks it's a nail in a coffin two years from now. You write 2.5 years isn't too old for WoW, and I agree...but I also think SC2 will sink it, which is a few years from now :P Dana--I totally forgot about that game. Um. Um. ...It looked cool, a few years ago? Insofar as LotR, I heard good things about it, but its lack of PvP definitely made it a game most WoW people ended up trying then returning to WoW for. Elle--Yeah, DF would be AMAZING if it were even half of what it says. But god, too much on its plate. Peter–I think you’re making a really dangerous assumption. SC isn’t one of the world’s premiere games for nothing. It won’t just be pirated and played through once, as you intend to do. Most people will be buying it not for single player, but for multi-player which can’t be pirated. :) I would say about half of WoW’s playerbase played the WC games prior, especially DoTA and WC:3. I think about half of them will be buying SC2. If the game sucks, all bets are off, but if it’s as good as Brood Wars, then I’ll bet you ten bucks it’s a nail in a coffin two years from now. You write 2.5 years isn’t too old for WoW, and I agree…but I also think SC2 will sink it, which is a few years from now :P

Dana–I totally forgot about that game. Um. Um. …It looked cool, a few years ago? Insofar as LotR, I heard good things about it, but its lack of PvP definitely made it a game most WoW people ended up trying then returning to WoW for.

Elle–Yeah, DF would be AMAZING if it were even half of what it says. But god, too much on its plate.

]]> By: mot http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-35 mot Sat, 08 Sep 2007 18:25:46 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-35 You should take a look at Fury. It's a mmorpg/fps that's currently in beta. It runs on the unreal 3 engine and gameplay is ridiculously fast. The entire game is PvP based, there's no AI controlled mobs. The company is also giving out one million dollars in prizes for a beta competition. This is something they intend to keep doing in the future as well (not to mention there's no required sub fee to play the game when it comes out). http://www.unleashthefury.com/ You should take a look at Fury. It’s a mmorpg/fps that’s currently in beta. It runs on the unreal 3 engine and gameplay is ridiculously fast. The entire game is PvP based, there’s no AI controlled mobs. The company is also giving out one million dollars in prizes for a beta competition. This is something they intend to keep doing in the future as well (not to mention there’s no required sub fee to play the game when it comes out).

http://www.unleashthefury.com/

]]> By: Magiz http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-37 Magiz Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:31:59 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-37 I've never been a big MMO player. I did get into games like Diablo 2 and Guild Wars, but those aren't even close to the games you've mentioned. Though I am interested in trying out Tabula Rasa and Guild Wars 2, when they release. As for Starcraft 2. I'm sure this is going to be a solid game. I've watched quite a few gameplay videos for it, and I'm very impressed. Like you said, if it's anything like Brood Wars, it's going to be massive. There's a huge number of people who are just itching to play this game. Though I'm not sure if I ever want to see it develop into an MMORPG. It could be great, but I doubt I could ever get into it. I’ve never been a big MMO player. I did get into games like Diablo 2 and Guild Wars, but those aren’t even close to the games you’ve mentioned. Though I am interested in trying out Tabula Rasa and Guild Wars 2, when they release.

As for Starcraft 2. I’m sure this is going to be a solid game. I’ve watched quite a few gameplay videos for it, and I’m very impressed. Like you said, if it’s anything like Brood Wars, it’s going to be massive. There’s a huge number of people who are just itching to play this game. Though I’m not sure if I ever want to see it develop into an MMORPG. It could be great, but I doubt I could ever get into it.

]]> By: Monique http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-38 Monique Sun, 09 Sep 2007 00:48:13 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-38 Mot--I wonder how many people will play just for the prize money, and not the game whatsoever haha. If I had free time, I know I would. Phil--Guild Wars is pretty close to Warhammer. Well. Let me rephrase that: it has PvP and a similar level cap. The games are arguably different, and I really disliked GW aside from the fact that it was free and had cool arena systems. GW is an interesting case study, and GW2 looks like it could be fun to mess around in. I'm downloading the TR open beta at the moment, I'll probably mention it somewhere later... I hope SC2 is as good as it looks. The gameplay videos have been fabulous, they have Kerrigan coming back so the story should be rich. It has a lot of potential, and Blizzard rarely disappoints! Mot–I wonder how many people will play just for the prize money, and not the game whatsoever haha. If I had free time, I know I would.

Phil–Guild Wars is pretty close to Warhammer. Well. Let me rephrase that: it has PvP and a similar level cap. The games are arguably different, and I really disliked GW aside from the fact that it was free and had cool arena systems. GW is an interesting case study, and GW2 looks like it could be fun to mess around in. I’m downloading the TR open beta at the moment, I’ll probably mention it somewhere later…

I hope SC2 is as good as it looks. The gameplay videos have been fabulous, they have Kerrigan coming back so the story should be rich. It has a lot of potential, and Blizzard rarely disappoints!

]]> By: Selphie http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-39 Selphie Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:06:13 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-39 I think I'm actually going to give SC2 a try. Me, who has always sucked horribly in RTS and never got the hang of it. By the time my base is zerged by the Scourge, I'm still moving my camera around helplessly trying to find my units to actually attack something. I still haven't figured out the shortcuts. :P (I just hope I can stick with the single player campaign in SC2 for the rest of my life. *shudders*) Anyway, I have a lot of faith in WoW still and hope it wouldn't die at least in the next two years. I play it for the PvE and while it has had its up and downs, they somehow always manage to surprise with something awesome, aka Naxx and BT. Then again, enjoying WoW massively depends on how you get along with your guildmates and no amount of awesomely designed dungeons can help if you're playing with a bunch of dickheads. Been there, done that. I'm kind of intrigued by Darkfall. It could be awesome, but like you said, they promise a lot. It could all end up in a watered down version that doesn't have even half of the things they promised and I know I wouldn't be playing it for the pretty graphics... It looks absolutely hideous to me. That's just how I am. -_- WAR isn't really on my interest list since the universe is completely foreign to me, but I will most likely follow my WoW guild/friends to whatever game they decide to start after WoW is done for. However, this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toGjY_VO_xE ) about the witch hunter kicks all kinds of ass and I think I could try the game just because of that. :D I mean, they got A HAT! I think I’m actually going to give SC2 a try. Me, who has always sucked horribly in RTS and never got the hang of it. By the time my base is zerged by the Scourge, I’m still moving my camera around helplessly trying to find my units to actually attack something. I still haven’t figured out the shortcuts. :P (I just hope I can stick with the single player campaign in SC2 for the rest of my life. *shudders*)

Anyway, I have a lot of faith in WoW still and hope it wouldn’t die at least in the next two years. I play it for the PvE and while it has had its up and downs, they somehow always manage to surprise with something awesome, aka Naxx and BT. Then again, enjoying WoW massively depends on how you get along with your guildmates and no amount of awesomely designed dungeons can help if you’re playing with a bunch of dickheads. Been there, done that.

I’m kind of intrigued by Darkfall. It could be awesome, but like you said, they promise a lot. It could all end up in a watered down version that doesn’t have even half of the things they promised and I know I wouldn’t be playing it for the pretty graphics… It looks absolutely hideous to me. That’s just how I am. -_-

WAR isn’t really on my interest list since the universe is completely foreign to me, but I will most likely follow my WoW guild/friends to whatever game they decide to start after WoW is done for. However, this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toGjY_VO_xE ) about the witch hunter kicks all kinds of ass and I think I could try the game just because of that. :D I mean, they got A HAT!

]]> By: Droniac http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-120 Droniac Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:21:01 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-120 I highly doubt that any of the games you mentioned will make a dent in WoW's subscriber figures. Ok, so Starcraft 2 might draw some players away for a month or two, but most of the Blizzard - and particularly Starcraft - fans I know never played WoW in the first place, or have long since quit playing WoW. After playing Tabula Rasa, it seems like a decent game, but like Lord of the Rings Online: it offers nothing special. It'll probably amass a decent subscriber base, but nothing WoW-threatening. Warhammer Online on the other hand, looks like it's just WoW with some more non-persistent, repetitive, constantly resetting, uninteresting (-insert negative connotation here-) PvP thrown in. That... and THQ is working on an MMO for the infinitely more popular, and interesting, Warhammer 40.000 universe (think Starcraft MMO, but cooler == Warhammer 40.000 Online). As for games I think might grow big, but not necesarily at the expense of WoW, in the near future: - Eve Online: it's the only older mmorpg that is still steadily growing today and the pace seems to be picking up, rather than slowing down. With a massive graphical overhaul and Linux/Mac versions set to launch later this year, and a full new DirectX 10 powered engine being developed for 2008, this game could well pick up some real steam in the coming months... - Aion: the developers of Lineage 1 & 2, the second and third most popular MMORPGs ever, before World of Warcraft (Ragnarok Online being #1) teaming up with western MMO developers to create one of the most (if not the most) innovative upcoming fantasy MMORPGs. Sounds great and if it goes as planned this could become a serious threat to WoW. Of course, if it's too grind heavy then no one here will care about it, and it'll 'only' pick up a few million subscribers in South Korea. - Ragnarok Online 2: the sequel to the most popular MMORPG before WoW. Pretty much guaranteed to pick up a sizable following (sizable as in millions) due to it's name alone. Of course there are also the MMOs which are still a ways away, such as: BioWare's MMO, Stargate Worlds, Warhammer 40.000 Online, the Firefly MMO, Guild Wars 2, Star Trek Online, World of Darkness MMO, etc. Some of them are bound to score big and all of them seem interesting, for now... As for Darkfall Online's promises... they remind me a lot of EVE Online. One giant sandbox environment, the ability to construct your own stations, fully player driven economy, no loading times, one massive universe, freedom to choose whichever profession you can imagine, no leveling or class restrictions (complete player freedom) & the largest, completely persistent and player-driven, PvP battles ever seen in a MMO. Then again, there's also a fantasy counterpart to Darkfall. And it's the oldest well known MMORPG: Ultima Online. UO also featured player housing, immense freedom in career selection & world PvP. Almost everything was possible in the game world, which kind of makes Darkfall Online look a little less innovative, don't you think? Personally, I'm going to stick with EVE Online for now. I still have no idea as to which (if any) MMORPG I might be playing one or two years from now, but I'm fairly certain that it's not going to be Darkfall, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online or Age of Conan. Their developers might scream innovation, but I have yet to see it... I highly doubt that any of the games you mentioned will make a dent in WoW’s subscriber figures. Ok, so Starcraft 2 might draw some players away for a month or two, but most of the Blizzard - and particularly Starcraft - fans I know never played WoW in the first place, or have long since quit playing WoW.

After playing Tabula Rasa, it seems like a decent game, but like Lord of the Rings Online: it offers nothing special. It’ll probably amass a decent subscriber base, but nothing WoW-threatening. Warhammer Online on the other hand, looks like it’s just WoW with some more non-persistent, repetitive, constantly resetting, uninteresting (-insert negative connotation here-) PvP thrown in. That… and THQ is working on an MMO for the infinitely more popular, and interesting, Warhammer 40.000 universe (think Starcraft MMO, but cooler == Warhammer 40.000 Online).

As for games I think might grow big, but not necesarily at the expense of WoW, in the near future:

- Eve Online: it’s the only older mmorpg that is still steadily growing today and the pace seems to be picking up, rather than slowing down. With a massive graphical overhaul and Linux/Mac versions set to launch later this year, and a full new DirectX 10 powered engine being developed for 2008, this game could well pick up some real steam in the coming months…

- Aion: the developers of Lineage 1 & 2, the second and third most popular MMORPGs ever, before World of Warcraft (Ragnarok Online being #1) teaming up with western MMO developers to create one of the most (if not the most) innovative upcoming fantasy MMORPGs. Sounds great and if it goes as planned this could become a serious threat to WoW. Of course, if it’s too grind heavy then no one here will care about it, and it’ll ‘only’ pick up a few million subscribers in South Korea.

- Ragnarok Online 2: the sequel to the most popular MMORPG before WoW. Pretty much guaranteed to pick up a sizable following (sizable as in millions) due to it’s name alone.

Of course there are also the MMOs which are still a ways away, such as: BioWare’s MMO, Stargate Worlds, Warhammer 40.000 Online, the Firefly MMO, Guild Wars 2, Star Trek Online, World of Darkness MMO, etc. Some of them are bound to score big and all of them seem interesting, for now…

As for Darkfall Online’s promises… they remind me a lot of EVE Online. One giant sandbox environment, the ability to construct your own stations, fully player driven economy, no loading times, one massive universe, freedom to choose whichever profession you can imagine, no leveling or class restrictions (complete player freedom) & the largest, completely persistent and player-driven, PvP battles ever seen in a MMO.

Then again, there’s also a fantasy counterpart to Darkfall. And it’s the oldest well known MMORPG: Ultima Online. UO also featured player housing, immense freedom in career selection & world PvP. Almost everything was possible in the game world, which kind of makes Darkfall Online look a little less innovative, don’t you think?

Personally, I’m going to stick with EVE Online for now. I still have no idea as to which (if any) MMORPG I might be playing one or two years from now, but I’m fairly certain that it’s not going to be Darkfall, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online or Age of Conan. Their developers might scream innovation, but I have yet to see it…

]]> By: Ewok http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-319 Ewok Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:14:12 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-319 "As for my personal stance, let’s just say I like my PvP with a little more PvP and a side of even more PvP; Tabula Rasa, for its part, has no PvP. And after suffering through Final Fantasy XI many years ago, I can tell you that no PvP system is generally a bad choice in game design." Hmm, maybe I missed something, but: a) Tabula Rasa does have PvP, well at least this site (one click away from the site linked to in article) says it does: http://www.rgtr.com/about_the_game/features/what_is_tabula_rasa.html "Key Features: .... Player-vs-Player – Challenge other players in voluntary PvP mode. " b) So does FFXI! Maybe you quit before it came in or something, but it definatly does. I quite enjoy its system and a friend of mine plays FFXI only for its PvP. There are public scheduled matches and private matches you can set up on your own now. Just thought I'd clear up those two things. Cheers. “As for my personal stance, let’s just say I like my PvP with a little more PvP and a side of even more PvP; Tabula Rasa, for its part, has no PvP. And after suffering through Final Fantasy XI many years ago, I can tell you that no PvP system is generally a bad choice in game design.”

Hmm, maybe I missed something, but:
a) Tabula Rasa does have PvP, well at least this site (one click away from the site linked to in article) says it does: http://www.rgtr.com/about_the_game/features/what_is_tabula_rasa.html

“Key Features: …. Player-vs-Player – Challenge other players in voluntary PvP mode. ”

b) So does FFXI! Maybe you quit before it came in or something, but it definatly does. I quite enjoy its system and a friend of mine plays FFXI only for its PvP. There are public scheduled matches and private matches you can set up on your own now.

Just thought I’d clear up those two things. Cheers.

]]> By: Monique http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-320 Monique Tue, 16 Oct 2007 04:30:11 +0000 http://girlsdontgame.com/2007/09/08/25/#comment-320 Ewok--when I played FFXI, it had no PvP. As I was quitting, they introduced a form of combat that wasn't exactly PvP. It was something like, you gather ten things before the other team does or you lose, and that wasn't really PvP. Also voluntary PvP isn't PvP to me. I like how WoW set it up; there were PvE (voluntary) servers and PvP ones. But if a game is solely voluntary, then it isn't PvP to me. Ewok–when I played FFXI, it had no PvP. As I was quitting, they introduced a form of combat that wasn’t exactly PvP. It was something like, you gather ten things before the other team does or you lose, and that wasn’t really PvP.

Also voluntary PvP isn’t PvP to me. I like how WoW set it up; there were PvE (voluntary) servers and PvP ones. But if a game is solely voluntary, then it isn’t PvP to me.

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